One month in Europe

I am throwing all caution to the wind and flying into Brussels, buying a Eurail pass, and traveling for one month over the summer. Any suggestions on must see/sample itineraries?

Thanks,

Grant

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Hi uplandway,

I am also from the Phila area. About 40 mins south of you. Anyway, do you have a budget? Are you planning on staying in hotels, hostels? Traveling with anyone else?

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I wouldn%26#39;t throw all caution to the wind, buy your Eurail pass in the US as I don%26#39;t believe they are sold in Europe. The only thing that I would suggest is that you spend at least 5-7 days in a few places so that you can enjoy them at a relaxed pace instead of madly dashing all over trying to %26quot;see it all%26quot;, which isn%26#39;t remotely possible in most countries in a lifetime.

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Not planning on traveling with anyone else. Don%26#39;t have a huge budget, but enough to treat myself respectably. Most likely staying in hostels.

Yourself?

-Grant

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Hi uplandyway

Are there any areas of Europe you prefer (Scandinavia, the South, Eastern Europe, the coast, beaches, mountains,...)?

Are you interested in nature, culture, remote areas or metropoles?

It%26#39;s quite difficult to give advise without knowing what you like. However, I agree with the idea that you should spend a couple of days in the same area to have a more relaxed time.

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Anything but metropoles. I of course need to at least see Paris, but would much prefer the countryside. I am looking to stay mostly in southwest europe - France, Italy, Switzerland, Austria.

Let me know what you think.

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Hi Grant

South Tirol (e.g. Meran) might be an option for your, or one of the lakes in Italy (Lago di Como, Lago di Garda,Lago Maggiore - partly in Siwtzerland, Lago di Lugano) or may be one of those in the south of Germany (Bodensee, Koenigssee, Chiemsee, Tegernsee) - I%26#39;m sorry, I don%26#39;t know the English words for these lakes. San Marino is very nice as well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_marino

and also the southern coast of France and Moncaco (but both rather exquisite and expensive).

And you definitely need to go to the mountains but I%26#39;ve only been skying there so I cannot really give good advise for summer holidays in that region.

If you are interested in seeing some cities as well, I would suggest Salzburg in Austria, Florence in Italy and if going into Germany would also be ok for you I would suggest Heidelberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidelberg) or Pforzheim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pforzheim). Pforzheim is near to the Black Forest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Forest) which is also worth a visit, as well as the areas at the rivers Neckar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neckar) and Rhine. The Rhine goes through Germany as well as Switzerland and France. May be you could travel along that river (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhine_Valley)

What also many people like doing is a tour along the loire river (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loire_River) in France.

I hope I could give you some ideas.

Enjoy your trip!

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Thank you so much. So far I am flying into Brussels, then to Paris, Loire Valley, Piedmont region, Cinque Terra, Tuscanny, Venice, then into Austria and Switzerland.

Thank you for your help again,

Grant

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Cochem and Mosel - great place to visit

Hello everybody, within last 2 years we have visited area at least 6 times. It is absolutely fabulous. We love it.

There are many things to do but we prefer walking, eating and wine testing. I believe it is the best Riesling area in the world.

We usually stay in little family run hotel in Ellenz-Poltersdorf. We also tried other. I guess that it almost doesn%26#39;t matter where you stay, it is usually very good. Hotels/privates are clean and food is just great. They are cheap in comparison with tourist hot spots. We never paid more than 40 Euros per person/night with breakfast included.

Although the whole valley (Moseltal) is nice, from Trier to Koblenz, town of Cochem is our favourite. We love its narrow, clean and romantic streets. Other great places worth to visit: Trier (must see), Koblenz, Zell, Traben-Trarbach, Bernkastel-Kues. Every village/town has its charm.

We have visited castles Cochem, Eltz and Pyrmont. All very different but great to visit.

There is no perfect wine. Everybody likes different wine. Try to find one you like. They sell wine everywhere. Price varies but you can buy good wine from 4 Euros. We bought some relatively expensive wines but once at home we liked average priced the best.

We love to go to local events - winefests. Music, food, wine and relaxed atmosphere.

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Thanks for the information which was very useful. We are going along the Rhine and Moselle in September.

Can you provide details of price-levels for spirits (vodka, brandy) and basic foodstuffs as here in England I have been unable to find any idea of price-levels? I am well used to using euros but mainly in Spain and Greece.

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You will enjoy your trip. It is really beautiful there.

Prices? Well, firstly why you are inquiring about spirits? These are prime wine regions in Germany!!! Wine and beer, man!!!

But seriously I never drink spirits while there. If you want to bring it home that%26#39;s different. Depending on stores. But normally I pay for a bottle of Jim Beam or Bacardi around 11 euros. For Chivas and single malt around 22 euros. In Cochem I often buy a local spirit distilled from wine or other local produce. They are in nice rustic ceramic bottles and a half of a liter is up to 10.

Groceries in stores are not expensive. I guess, but I am not sure, cheaper than in UK. Although I do not know where locals shop for groceries since I always eat in restaurants or grab some wurst. Large bread is up to 3, yogurth is around 60 cents, cheese is 5 - 25 per kg, hams 8- 20 per kg. Great cakes in bakery are up to 5 euros. You have to try those. But these prices are not from the area but it might be similar.

In normal restaurant you pay around 10 for pizza and you can get %26quot;today%26#39;s menu%26quot; from 10-14 euros. You can always find more expensive dinning. We like wurst (German sausage) if we are not too hungry and it will cost you around 2.5 euros.

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My wife and I have been going to Cochem for over 30 years, we are going again in June 2007.

We have used many different hotels, and B%26amp;B%26#39;s, last year we stayed with the Haxel%26#39;s, at their vinyard, we are staying with them again this year (26 Euros each for B%26amp;B, see my review).

I agree with all you have said about Cochem, we too love walking, eating and drinking, not too sure in which order though. The August Bank Holiday Winefest and Firework display was a regular trip for us, but we can%26#39;t get to it so often now, a great pity.

Cochem is not a cheap place to stay at, but we always tell people %26#39;At least you are ripped off tastefully%26#39;.

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My wife and I have been going to Cochem for over 30 years, we are going again in June 2007.

We have used many different hotels, and B%26amp;B%26#39;s, last year we stayed with the Haxel%26#39;s, at their vinyard, we are staying with them again this year (26 Euros each for B%26amp;B, see my review).

I agree with all you have said about Cochem, we too love walking, eating and drinking, not too sure in which order though. The August Bank Holiday Winefest and Firework display was a regular trip for us, but we can%26#39;t get to it so often now, a great pity.

Cochem is not a cheap place to stay at, but we always tell people %26#39;At least you are ripped off tastefully%26#39;.

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Concert / Dinner at Schloss Charlottenburg

We are coming to Berlin for the first time in August and thinking about going to a concert . We would appreciate some advice. Is the pre concert dinner good, or would it be a better option to have dinner elsewhere %26amp; just go to the concert? Is the concert a good choice?

Thanks for your help.

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As a citizen of Berlin, living near pretty close to Charlottenburg Palace, I must admit, I have never been to a concert there - but looking up the event on the Internet, it seems to me, that this is not a good deal.

First of all, it takes place at the Orangerie, which is a building opposite the palace, and not at the palace itself. Secondly, the menu offered is pretty simple fare. And the concert is performed by a no-name orchestra.

I%26#39;d recommend a concert at the Philharmonie (www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en/home/) with dinner before or after at %26quot;VOX%26quot; or %26quot;Tizian%26quot; (…hyatt.com/hyatt/…index.jsp), %26quot;Midtown Grill%26quot; (http://www.midtown-grill.de/index.php?LANG=e) or %26quot;Desbrosses%26quot; (http://www.desbrosses.de/index.php?LANG=e) or - if you like a historical setting (OK, it is historical on the outside but inside it is really a history inspired kind of GDR Disneyland concert hall) - a concert at the Konzerthaus am Gendarmenmarkt (www.konzerthaus.de/start/index.php…) and dinner at %26quot;Bocca di Bacco%26quot; (http://www.boccadibacco.de/eng/index.html).

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Thank you very much JanBerlin for this very helpful reply. We will look at the sites you have given us - plenty of food for thought!

George.

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castles

where in the black forest would i get to see some really nice castles will only have a couple of days before i head of to austria.. we are looking for somewhere quite and peaceful maybe a short drive to a town. staying in either hotel or camping.

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Black Forest was settled pretty late: -%26gt; only castles at the edges of the Black Forest

Black Forest is close to France: -%26gt; all castles are in ruins

schwarzwald-tourismus.info/index.php/kultur_…

kastelburg-in-not.de/assets/…RIMG0010.JPG

The nearby Upper Danube region and the Swabian Alb have more to offer if it comes to castles.

Burg Wildenstein

One of the few never destroyed castles. Outstanding location (albeit Merian has really exaggerated in his etching). Used as a youth hostel today.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burg_Wildenstein_(Leibertingen)

www.jugendherberge-burg-wildenstein.de/

Schloss Sigmaringen

www.hohenzollern.de/schloss-sigmaringen/en/

A visit of the interiors can be really recommended.

Burg Hohenzollern

preussen.de/en/today/burg_hohenzollern.html

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Allergic to Oranges?? Need Help

I just realized that all of you out there in TA land can probably help me with this problem.

I am allergic to Oranges, seriously allergic. At home in restaurants

I always warn them I am allergic and to get across how allergic,

I refer to my allergy as %26quot;call the paramedics serious%26quot; which is a slight, but only slight, overstatement.

Any amount of orange peal shaving as a spice for flavoring, or orange juice, pretty much will do me in. Even touching oranges, will give me a reaction.

The odd thing is it is just oranges, not lemons, grapefruit or other citrus.

Can someone give me a handy phrase in German to warn wait staff that there might be a problem.

Thanks

Auntie

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%26quot;Ich bin (sehr) allergisch gegen Orangen.%26quot;

(wordly: I%26#39;m (very) allergic against oranges.)

or

%26quot;Ich habe eine (starke) Allergie gegen Orangen%26quot;

(wordly: I have a (strong) allergy against oranges.)

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Cant%26#39;t help you with the translation, but perhaps the folks at www.selectwisely.com can.

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3 weeks with teens - suggested activities?

We are from Canada and will be visiting family just outside Freiburg in June/July. Our sons are 16 and 13, and we are trying to find a few entertaining things to consider (we know they will be bored after viewing the 3rd or 4th church!). Other than EuropaPark and the waterfall at Triberg, does anyone have any suggestions for active/energetic teens? Day trips to Switzerland or France would be quite possible. At home they like to wakeboard, play hockey, ski, bike...

Thanks!

Keishaw

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I will be in Freiburg with my wife and 3 teenagers in mid-July. We are renting an apartment and the owner forwarded a very helpful booklet of day trips and activities in the area. This website may be helpful http://schwarzwald-vacation.spaces.live.com/

The booklet is a pdf file that can be emailed to you if interested.

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Thanks very much for your reply.

I would be very interested in receiving that pdf booklet... it sounds like it would be very helpful.

Is there some way I can allow you to see my email on this site so you can send it to me?

Otherwise, how can I request it from that site? I looked, but did not see an area to do that. Can you guide me to it or do you think I could just contact that apartment owner directly and ask for it, even though I won%26#39;t be renting from them?

K

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Biking/hiking are activities with plenty of options/routes in the Black Forest.

Black Forest Open Air Museum Vogtsbauernhof

http://vogtsen.land-in-sicht.com/index.php

Wutachtal Museum Railway

stadt-blumberg.de/ceasy/…

%26gt; be bored after viewing the 3rd or 4th church!

Don%26#39;t miss to climb on the tower of the cathedral in Freiburg.

The Schlumpf Collection (automobile museum) in Mulhouse/Alsace

www.collection-schlumpf.com/en/schlumpf/

Basel has also a number of interesing museums.

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It%26#39;s a good area for mountainbiking, there%26#39;s a special %26#39;downhill trail%26#39; from the Schauinsland as well. Bike rental in Freiburg should be easy, it%26#39;s very popular. They even got a %26#39;Mountainbike-school%26#39;.

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The boys might be interested in the Hoechenschwand-nature sport center, where among other things you can do things high above the ground, see www.hoechenschwand.de .

There is the bird park with its birds of prey show, www.vogelpark-steinen.de .

Between Neubulach and Wildberg is the visitable undrground silver mine. Near Wieden are two other visitable mines.

For a fairytale-like castle, Hohenzollern (Hechingen) is excellent. Not too far to the east of it is a summer rodelbahn (bobsled like ride) near Melchingen, and just a little further east of there is the Baerenhoehle (Bear%26#39;s cave) and also an amusement park (Dreamland at the bear%26#39;s cave). Another excellent fairytale-like castle is just north of there, Lichtenstein.

There is a waterpark Aqua FUN near the Schluchsee.

If you purchase map #16 in Die Shell Regional Karte large scale map series of Germany from a Shell gas station it will show you lots more of interesting places to visit in this corner of Germany and nearby France and Switzerland. The better places to visit are highlighted in yellow for cultural features and green for natural ones, and the best things also have a box around them. Even many non-highlighted things are excllent to visit, and many months%26#39; worth of excellent things to see are shown on this map.

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Here some ideas for Switzerland:

Lucerne (1 1/2 hour drive from Freiburg im Breisgau):

There is a big %26quot;rop park%26quot; and a summer toboggan run at the pilatus. http://www.pilatus.ch/content-n138-sE.html and of course you shouldn%26#39;t miss the great view from the top of mountain

There are many lakes and rivers where you can do canoe, kayak, rafting trips.

The official tourist information has list of family excursions.

myswitzerland.com/en.cfm/holidayoffers/excur…

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The whole family would enjoy a visit to the Mercedes Benz museum in Stuttgart with 120 years of automotive history on display in the form of 180 vehicles including the first car, Mercedes through the years, racing cars, and cars driven or used by famous people such as the Popemobile. Everybody irregardless of age or gender enjoys this museum. The current much smaller Porsche museum doesn%26#39;t have many cars and would appeal mainly to its (and racing) enthusiasts. In the Leuze mineral baths you can swim in bubbly carbonated water for a different experience. www.stuttgart-tourist.de

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Thank-you everyone for the great ideas!

A few questions:

Marcopolko: I went to the site www.hoechenschwand.de, and tried to translate it (I speak only a tiny bit of German) - but it wouldn%26#39;t work. When you say %26quot;do things high above the ground%26quot;, what does that mean? Bungee jumping, zip-lining, etc.? Or ? Can you give me a brief idea? Great advice about that map, thanks.

Is the Porsche museum in Stuttgart as well? We will definitely check those both out. And do you know are ALL of the mineral baths co-ed/no clothes? Or are there any for those of us that are used to keeping our swimsuits on? :-)

Mube: I was specifically looking for white-water rafting trips previously, and had no luck. Thanks for that link, I%26#39;ll check it out. If you can suggest any specific rafting trips/operators, that would be appreciated.

Do any of you have any links for us to find out what rock concerts might be happening in that general area (as I said, we could make day trips and longer drives if necessary). Perhaps a popular concert promoter or radio station website?

Thanks again, this is exactly what I was hoping to find!

K

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%26gt; Is the Porsche museum in Stuttgart as well?

Yes. BUT the new one will open only in 2008. The current one is a single room with some 20 Porsche cars. Only recommended for real Porsche enthusiasts.

The Mercedes-Benz Museum is brand new and an oustanding museum.

%26gt; And do you know are ALL of the mineral baths co-ed/no clothes?

Co-ed: yes - apart from a few hours. But only the sauna is with no clothes. The swimming pool area is with clothes.

DAS LEUZE mineral bath is a nice combination of fun pool and mineral bath.

www.stuttgart.de/baeder/kbb.php…

The %26quot;red parts%26quot; are all with clothes. With a normal entrance ticket you don%26#39;t have access to the %26quot;yellow parts%26quot; (sauna and other treatments).

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DAS FEST in Karlsruhe (20.-22.07.2007)

http://www.das-fest-karlsruhe.de/

Of the category %26quot;umsonst %26amp; draußen%26quot; (don%26#39;t know the proper translation ~ free and outdoors).

a video from one of the acts last year

vids.myspace.com/index.cfm…

Southside Festival in Neuhausen ob Eck (22.-24.06.2007)

www.southside.de/index.php?lng=_englisch

One of the best festivals in Germany.

events in Freiburg and (wider area)

http://www.bis.freiburg.de/4/4/120/index.php

Help for train booking: Frankfurt > Cochem/Mosel > Amsterdam

I wasn’t sure where to post, so I apologize for posting in both the Frankfurt and Cochem forums.

My husband and I (age 36 and 38) are planning to purchase rail tickets using the Deutche Bahn.de website, and we have a lot of questions:

Discounts: The website lists discounts Savings Price 25 and 50. I’m unclear about how the various discounts work. Are these only for citizens of Europe? Is there a pass that needs to be purchased to receive these special rates? We will book our tickets 80-90 days in advance.

Our complete travel will be:

Frankfurt %26gt; Cochem on a Friday

While in the Mosel Valley, we will travel to other towns by train /boat

Cochem to Amsterdam on a Monday

Amsterdam to Brugge/Brussels on a Friday

Brussels to Paris on a Sunday

While in Paris, we will do some regional train travel as well

There is another discount BahnCard – that appears to cost 15 Euro, but allows discounts in other countries. Given our other travel, does it make sense to buy this card? (We don’t want to purchase a Eurail ticket, because it seems that it is much more costly than individual tickets).

About the trip from Frankfurt airport to Cochem, Mosel Valley: We arrive at the Frankfurt airport (international) at 11:00, and want to go directly to Cochem. Do we need to take a train from the airport to Frankfurt’s main station? How much time should we allow for that train ride? Is 3 hours enough for getting luggage and getting to Frankfurt Main?

Which option for Cochem should I choose? The ones that seem to make the most sense are:

Cochem (Mosel)

Cochem (Mosel) KD

Cochem Bahnhof

Am Markt (Cochem)

1st and 2nd Class: What’s the difference? I assume it will vary by the type of train, but is there any circumstance where we would not want to use a 2nd class ticket?

OnLine Tickets: Is there any concern we should have about purchasing online tickets in advance from America?

Thanks so much for any guidance you can give!

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%26gt; Discounts: The website lists discounts Savings Price 25 and 50.

These are discounts for return tickets if bought in advance. Won%26#39;t work in your case.

%26gt; There is another discount BahnCard – that appears to cost 15 Euro, but allows discounts in other countries.

The BahnCards are more expensive. You can buy as addition to a BahnCard the %26quot;RAIL PLUS%26quot; option (EUR 15,00) which will give you discounts when travelling to or from other European countries (but not for domestic trips in these countries). BahnCard with the validity of one year is an offer is first place interesting for residents, but barely for tourists.

%26gt; About the trip from Frankfurt airport to Cochem, Mosel Valley: We arrive at the Frankfurt airport (international) at 11:00, and want to go directly to Cochem. Do we need to take a train from the airport to Frankfurt’s main station?

No. Totally the opposite direction.

DB timetable

http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en

From: FRA airport

To: Cochem(Mosel)

%26gt; Which option for Cochem should I choose? The ones that seem to make the most sense are:

The DB timetable will suggest nearly always the mostlikely best stop as default one (i.e. first of the drop down list, thus no need to select anything).

%26gt; 1st and 2nd Class: What’s the difference? I assume it will vary by the type of train, but is there any circumstance where we would not want to use a 2nd class ticket?

1st class differences:

Far distance trains (IC/EC or ICE): more leg space, better seats, you can order snacks and drinks to your place, no 2nd class passengers

Regional trains (S-Bahn, RB, RE, IRE): no 2nd class passengers

As long as the 50-60% which the first class is more expensive is of any concern for you: use the 2nd class like everybode else. There are better ways to spent the money (better hotel, better restaurants, ...).

%26gt; OnLine Tickets: Is there any concern we should have about purchasing online tickets in advance from America?

No. If you buy online don%26#39;t forget to bring the ticket AND the credit card you used to pay for it.

%26gt; cheaper options

You could use regional trains from Frankfurt Airport to Cochem. 3 hours instead of 2 hours travel times with (partly) far distance trains.

Select at the DB timetable as means of transport %26quot;only local public transport%26quot; to get connections with regional trains only.

Buy

1. a normal ticket from Frankfurt Airport to Mainz: EUR 3,55 pp

(Frankfurt is in the state Hesse, Mainz in the state Rhineland-Palatinate (actually the state capital).

2. buy a Rhineland-Palatinate Ticket: EUR 25,00

This is a mini group (2-5 persons) day ticket covering all regional trains and all other local public transport (buses, trams) in the state Rhineland-Palatinate. With this ticket you can travel from Mainz to Cochem.

You can buy both tickets from ticket machines at Frankfurt Airport.

Cochem - Amsterdam

There are Europe-Special tickets from Cologne to Amsterdam:

reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en…

Please note that these specials are only valid for the booked connection. Not flexible like normal tickets.

As this is a limited offer buy as soon as possible (online).

Brussels - Paris

http://www.thalys.com/

Has discounted tickets (Smilys) if you buy at least 14 days in advance. A return ticket, but still cheaper than a normal price single ticket (just don%26#39;t use the return part).

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Thank you for the reply.

All of your advice is going to save us a lot of money.

It sounds like the regional Rhineland-Palatinate ticket will be useful for a day of exploring some of the other towns along the river as well.

We are about 100 days out from our travel date, so I%26#39;m planning to buy SMILYS from Amsterdam to Brussels and Brussels to Paris in two weeks (thanks for the advice!).

Other than that, it sounds like we can buy all of the local tickets (Frankfurt %26gt; Mainz, Rhineland-Palatinate regional, and Cochem %26gt; Koln) on the day of travel. Is that correct?

Thanks again

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%26gt; It sounds like the regional Rhineland-Palatinate ticket will be useful for a day of exploring some of the other towns along the river as well.

Indeed. It also gives you (like other train tickets) 20% discount on the KD boat fares.

http://www.k-d.com

%26gt; Other than that, it sounds like we can buy all of the local tickets (Frankfurt %26gt; Mainz, Rhineland-Palatinate regional, and Cochem %26gt; Koln) on the day of travel. Is that correct?

Yes.

Frankfurt %26gt; Mainz: RMV ticket machine

Rhineland-Palatinate regional: DB ticket machines (think at the RMV ticket machines you can buy only the %26quot;local%26quot; Länder-Ticket, i.e. in Frankfurt the Hesse-Ticket not the Rhineland-Palatinate-Ticket).

Counter is also possible, but it will be EUR 2,00 more expensive.

Cochem %26gt; Köln: DB ticket machines, counter, online

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